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W&L After Class: Podcast

W&L’s Office of Lifelong Learning is here to help you explore questions that a good education stirs.

In our podcast, W&L After Class, we invite you to join conversations with faculty who share their experiences, insights, and expertise. From accounting to the theatre to cyber security and the arts, listen to W&L’s resident experts in a casual, candid conversation as though you are strolling with them along the Colonnade.

Recent Episodes

Season Six

The Serendipity of Learning

Openness, Opportunity, and the Liberal Arts with Provost Lena Hill
In this episode, we sit down with Provost Lena Hill, whose vision and leadership maintain the best of the liberal arts education at Washington and Lee.
Recorded: August 19, 2025
Aired: September 9, 2025

Cultivating a Life of Beauty

Fulfilling W&L’s Mission of Lifelong Learning with James Lambert
In this episode, we sit down with James Lambert, whose career and curiosity embody Washington and Lee’s mission of lifelong learning.
Recorded: August 11, 2025
Aired: August 12, 2025

A Life Under Construction

Rethinking Identity, Technology and Personal Evolution with Stu Gray
In this episode, we talk with Stu Gray, associate professor of politics at 91��ý, whose winding journey from West Point to political theory is a story of risk, reflection and relentless curiosity.
Recorded: July 3, 2025
Aired: July 8, 2025

Cultivating an Interesting Mind for a Lifetime

A Conversation with President Will Dudley
In this episode, Will Dudley, 91��ý president and philosophy professor, shares how a lifelong love of asking questions shaped his path from an aspiring mathematician to a college president.
Recorded: May 13, 2025
Aired: June 10, 2025

The Risk is Worth it

Unlearning, Uncertainty, and the Real Lessons of Entrepreneurship with Jay Margalus
In this episode, we talk with Jay Margalus, Johnson Professor of Entrepreneurship and Leadership and Director of the Connolly Center for Entrepreneurship at W&L. Margalus shares his unconventional path from law to software to academia, and why he believes embracing risk is essential, not just for entrepreneurs, but for anyone seeking a meaningful life.
Recorded: May 5, 2025
Aired: May 14, 2025

Inviting the Imagination

Writing, Editing and the Shenandoah Magazine with Beth Staples
In this episode, we talk with Beth Staples, editor of Shenandoah Literary Magazine and assistant professor of English. Staples discusses storytelling, the legacy of Shenandoah, the exciting changes she’s bringing to the magazine and what it means for W&L 91��ý.
Recorded: March 11, 2025
Aired: April 8, 2025

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Learning What You Love

Mentoring Students through the Fellowship Application Process with Matthew Loar
In this episode, Matthew Loar, Director of Fellowships and Student Research at 91��ý, shares about his path from studying abroad in Rome to shaping the futures of current W&L 91��ý.
Recorded: January 22, 2025
Aired: February 11, 2025

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Weathering the Storm of a Changing World

The Lasting Value of the Humanities and Shakespeare with Holly Pickett
In this episode, Holly Pickett, professor of English at 91��ý, shares her experience with Shakespeare, from an unconvinced high school student to an early modern drama scholar, and discusses the transformative power of teaching on the playwright.
Recorded: December 12, 2024
Aired: January 14, 2025

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Season Five

Kindling Moments of Pure Joy

Gene McCabe’s Philosophy to Coaching and Mentoring Student Athletes in a Changing World
In this episode, Gene McCabe, Head Men’s Lacrosse Coach and Assistant Director of Athletics for Compliance, details how sports and childhood mentors launched his trajectory as an educator in athletics.
Recorded: November 5, 2024
Aired: November 12, 2024

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Shaking Up The Consciousness

The Ethics of Cultural Heritage and How We Live and Die with Melissa Kerin
In this episode, Melissa Kerin, Professor of Art History at 91��ý and Director of the Roger Mudd Center for Ethics, discusses this year’s theme for the Mudd Center, “How We Live and Die.”
Recorded: October 2, 2024
Aired: October 8, 2024

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Lessons in Chemistry

Shaping Minds, Shaping Futures with Lisa Alty
In this episode of W&L After Class, we sit down with Lisa Alty, the John T. Herwick, M.D. Professor of Chemistry at 91��ý. With a career spanning over three decades, Professor Alty shares her inspiring journey from a poor high school experience to becoming a dedicated educator and mentor.
Recorded: July 16, 2024
Aired: August 9, 2024

Leaps and Bounds

The Sky is the Limit with W&L Dance with Jenefer Davies
Jenefer Davies, Professor of Dance and Chair of the Department of Theater, Dance, and Film Studies at 91��ý shares her early beginnings at age three to her current role shaping W&L’s dance program.
Recorded: May 21, 2024
Aired: July 9, 2024

Facing the Gray

Mass Genocide, Child Soldiering and the Flicker of Goodness Through the Lens of Law with Mark Drumbl
Through a serendipitous happenstance, Mark Drumbl, Class of 1975 91��ý Professor of Law and Director of the Transnational Law Institute, has dedicated his career to practicing, teaching and questioning international law. In this episode, we examine the function — and limitations — of law as Drumbl details his experiences as a defender for those accused of mass atrocities in Rwanda, his study into the marginalization of people and collective violence, and his beliefs on how we need to reconceptualize evil.
Recorded: May 13, 2024
Aired: June 4, 2024

W&L Through and Through

From W&L Undergrad to Professor and Department Chair to Associate Provost and W&L Parent with Paul Youngman
In this episode, Paul Youngman, W&L class of 1987, associate provost and the Harry E. and Mary Jayne W. Redenbaugh Professor of German, details his very full days as a W&L undergrad, his return to his alma mater as a German professor, his journey as W&L’s Associate Provost, and also what it feels like to walk in the shoes as a W&L parent.
Recorded: April 23, 2024
Aired: May 14, 2024

Mindful Technology

Unraveling the Impact of Modern Technologies on Our Well-Being with Wythe Whiting
In this episode, Wythe Whiting, professor of cognitive and behavioral science, helps us explore the complex connections between mental health, sleep, physical activity and cognitive functioning.
Recorded: March 3, 2024
Aired: March 12, 2024

The Williams School: Not Just a Business School

The Liberal Arts Approach to a Career in Business with Rob Straughan
In this episode, Rob Straughan, the Crawford Family Dean of the Williams School and Professor of Business Administration, brings a wealth of knowledge and insights about the unique interdisciplinary approach of the Williams School. In this episode, we’ll delve into Rob’s journey at W&L, the evolution of the William Schools’ distinctive approach within a liberal arts curriculum, and the exciting initiatives on the horizon, including the plans for the new Williams School building.
Recorded: February 2, 2024
Aired: February 13, 2024

Season Four

Real World Solutions

Connecting Conversations in the Classroom to Real-World Issues in Human Rights and Corporate Accountability with Kish Parella
In this episode, we chat with Kish Parella, Class of 1960 Professor of Ethics and Law, about her academic research in business and human rights, how her 91��ý influence her scholarship, and why working outside the classroom strengthens her role as a professor. We also explore the importance of corporate accountability and consumer education, including how contract clauses can have a major impact on an individual’s day-to-day life.
Recorded: October 4, 2023
Aired: October 11, 2023

Into the Vault

Exploring Washington and Lee’s Special Collections and Archives with Tom Camden
Tom Camden, Washington and Lee’s outgoing head of Special Collections and Archives, tells us how W&L ignited his career as a historian, then takes us on a tour of what has come to be known as “the vault” to showcase some of the university’s extensive collection.
Recorded: June 22, 2023
Aired: August 8, 2023

A Good Education is a Habit of Mind

W&L’s Dedication to Lifelong Learning with Rob Fure
In this episode, we have a conversation with Rob Fure on his last day in the office as director of W&L’s Office of Lifelong Learning. We learn how Rob came to W&L in 1977 as an English professor and created programs that evolved into what is now the Office of Lifelong Learning. We’ll also hear from Rob about the experiences that have meant the most to him and what the one area of the world he recommends everyone visit.
Recorded: June 20, 2023
Aired: June 30, 2023

The AI Revolution

Understanding the Past, Present, and Future of Artificial Intelligence with Jeff Schatten
Jeff Schatten, associate professor of business administration, helps us to better understand the ever-changing world of artificial intelligence (AI). In our conversation, we discuss the challenges and benefits of using AI in the classroom, and how we can implement it to help 91��ý think critically, freely, and humanely.
Recorded: April 13, 2023
Aired: May 9, 2023

Paying It Forward

Exploring Black Identity, Family, and Southern-ness in the 21st Century with Michael Hill
In this episode, we’ll talk with Michael Hill, professor and chair of Washington and Lee’s Africana Studies program and also the inaugural director of W&L’s new DeLaney Center. We’ll explore how Michael’s background, family, and formative experiences not only shaped his path as a scholar, but how many of his experiences have prepared him for his work with the DeLaney Center.
Recorded: March 20, 2023
Aired: April 11, 2023

The Case for Getting Outside

A Holistic W&L Experience Extends Beyond the Walls of a Classroom with James Dick
In this episode, we spend time with James Dick, W&L’s director of outdoor education and recreation. We learn how James found his way to W&L and why he loves his job, the ways in which recreation intersects with W&L 91��ý’ experiences in the classroom and life, and how the outdoors can be a lifelong classroom.
Recorded: January 6, 2023
Aired: February 14, 2023

Season Three

Making the Strange Familiar and the Familiar Strange

Examining Life through an Ethnographic Lens with Sascha Goluboff
Sascha Goluboff, Washington and Lee’s director of community-based learning and professor of cultural anthropology, recounts her experiences of stepping into the unknown through ethnography research, working in local prisons and even improv.
Recorded: October 26, 2022
Aired: December 13, 2022

Walks With A Noise

Exploring Identity, Quietly with Harvey Markowitz
In this episode with Harvey Markowitz, emeritus professor of anthropology, we talk about how Harry first arrived on the Rosebud Indian reservation, his relationship with the Lakota people, and conversations about identity and acknowledgement in tribal communities.
Recorded: October 10, 2022
Aired: November 3, 2022

Studied Carelessness

A Discussion of Life as Improvisation with Caleb Dance
In this conversation with Caleb Dance, associate professor of classics, we explore the impact of humor, improvisation and “sprezzatura” (studied carelessness) on his research and teaching. He also shares the story of his journey into classics, the importance of studying abroad and his musical endeavors, including the work he does with the nonprofit MIMA.
Recorded: September 23, 2022
Aired: October 11, 2022

Find Your People

Absolut(e) W&L with Amanda Bower
Amanda Bower, head of the Business Administration department discusses the value of studying and teaching advertising in a liberal arts setting.
Recorded: July 5, 2022
Aired: July 11, 2022

Russia Then and Now

The Arc of a Superpower with Rich Bidlack
Rich Bidlack, shares what first sparked his interest in Russia, his research over the decades, and the direction his research will take upon his retirement from Washington and Lee.
Recorded: May 24, 2022
Aired: June 14, 2022

Accountant or Detective

A Credit to Her Profession with Megan Hess
Megan Hess, associate professor of accounting at W&L, discusses her passion for teaching, how she grew up to love accounting, and what it’s like to investigate corporate fraud.
Recorded: Mar. 16, 2022
Aired: Apr. 12, 2022

The Story Goes

Understanding Humanity Through Theater with Stephanie Sandberg
Associate professor of theater Stephanie Sandberg tells the story of social justice theater, and why theater and a liberal arts education go hand-in-hand.
Recorded: Feb. 17, 2022
Aired: Mar. 8, 2022

Protect Yourself!

A Discussion About Cybersecurity with Taha Khan
Taha Khan, assistant professor of computer science at W&L, discusses his research on computer security, privacy and human-computer interaction - including cybercrime.
Recorded Jan. 11, 2022
Aired Feb. 8, 2022

Season Two

Art on the Wall

Seeing Through the Eyes of History with George Bent
George Bent, the Sidney Gause Childress Professor of the Arts at W&L, talks about what inspired his love of art history, why he loves teaching it, and how he has engaged 91��ý in a remarkable digital history project, “Florence As It Was,” that is reconstructing the Italian city the way it appeared at the end of the 15th century.
Recorded Nov. 1, 2021
Aired Nov. 9, 2021

Along Came a Spider

The Allure of Arachnids with Nadia Ayoub
Nadia Ayoub, associate professor of biology at W&L, weaves a fascinating lesson about her research into the genetics of black widow spider silk – and explains the wide-reaching implications of understanding these amazing arachnids.
Recorded Sept. 23, 2021
Aired Oct. 12, 2021

The Nose Knows

The Science of Smell with Tyler Lorig
Tyler Lorig, professor emeritus of cognitive and behavioral science at 91��ý, has spent decades studying the olfactory system and its impact on everyday life. After listening to him explain this crucial sense, you’ll never think about odor the same way again.
Recorded May 18, 2021
Aired July 13, 2021

No Stone Unturned

Rocking Out with Elizabeth Knapp
Elizabeth Knapp ’90, professor of geology and director of the Johnson Program in Leadership and Integrity, discusses falling in love with rocks, the landscape of Rockbridge County and how the Johnson Program transforms campus and student lives.
Recorded April 14, 2021
Aired May 11, 2021

She’s Got Game!

A Conversation About All Things Athletic with Jan Hathorn
W&L’s first female Athletic Director discusses the important distinction between an athlete and student-athlete, the changes to make W&L’s renowned swim test more equitable, and what it’s like to be a woman in a male-dominated profession.
Recorded April 1, 2021
Aired April 13, 2021

All the World’s a Stage

The Love of Musical Theater with Rob Mish
The director of the Lenfest Center for the Arts shares his infectious love of musical theater and how musicals have been reinvented over time to correct their flaws. We’ll also discuss his time spent in 91��ý Engagement and the joy in connecting current 91��ý with alumni.
Recorded February 24, 2021
Aired March 9, 2021

Can They Say That?!?

Free Speech in a Crowded Theater: A Look at the First Amendment with Law Professor, Brian Murchison
The Charles S. Rowe Professor of Law and director of the Mudd Center for Ethics, kicks off Season Two of W&L After Class: The Lifelong Learning Podcast with a timely conversation about the First Amendment and mass media.
Recorded February 2, 2021
Aired February 10, 2021

Season One

When You’re a Statistical Improbability

Thinking Creatively about Life and the Mathematics within it with Sybil Prince Nelson
Join us for a truly unique conversation with Assistant Professor of Mathematics Sybil Prince Nelson (‘01). Together, we discuss her path through W&L as a Math and Music major; her current careers as a statistician, author and professor; and why she dubbed herself a “statistic improbability.”
Recorded October 26, 2020
Aired November 10, 2020

Let’s Get Real… About Surrealism

A Discussion of Dali, Curating and Surrealism’s Lasting Impact with Elliott King
The associate professor of art history dives into the subconscious world of Surrealism, unpacking the work of Dali and explaining just how important his long-lasting career was. Professor King also shares how his journey with Dali and other Surrealist artists has deepened through his curatorial work and his courses with 91��ý.
Recorded October 12, 2020
Aired October 27, 2020

Not to Get Political But ...

Things Get Political with Mark Rush
The Waxberg Professor of Politics and Law and Director of W&L’s Center for International Education joins the podcast to discuss the importance of understanding our political system ahead of the 2020 election (and any election). With host Ruth Candler, Professor Rush also explores his career in international education, from W&L to Dubai and beyond.
Recorded September 29, 2020
Aired October 13, 2020

Which Witch?

A Deep Dive into Witches and Devils Throughout History with Mikki Brock
Associate Professor of History Mikki Brock talks witches, witch hunts, the Devil, and the “why” behind them in our latest episode, out just in time for you to enjoy it with a fall chill in the air. With Halloween just around the corner, listen at your own risk...
Recorded September 17, 2020
Aired September 29, 2020

Real Opportunity for All

An Inside Look at Poverty and Its Many Causes with Howard Pickett
The Director of the Shepherd Program, Assistant Professor of Ethics and Poverty Studies and Adjunct Professor of Law talks with us about poverty in America. In this episode, Pickett focuses not only on what “poverty” means but also on how we can creatively look at issues surrounding poverty and people affected by it.
Recorded August 11, 2020
Aired September 15, 2020

Your Implicit Bias is Showing...

Talking Candidly About Stereotyping, Prejudice, and Discrimination with Julie Woodzicka
The Abigail Grigsby Urquhart Professor of Cognitive and Behavioral Science explains concepts like stereotyping and bias. More importantly, Professor Woodzicka illustrates the impact of these human behaviors. Guests will also hear from W&L student Enuma Anekwe-Desince ’22 and alumna Murray Shortall ’03.
Recorded August 6, 2020
Aired September 1, 2020

The Pursuit of Happiness

Finding Fulfillment with Karla Murdock
Professor of Cognitive and Behavioral Science, Karla Murdock, teaches us about the most important thing in life: happiness. From marriage “advice” to smartphone technology, Karla provides insight into her research and the research of other scientists who have studied happiness, positive and negative affect and much more.
Recorded June 29, 2020
Aired August 18, 2020

Enter the Clearing the Mind Abode

A Taste of Tea with Janet Ikeda
The professor of Japanese sheds light on the importance of Japanese tea culture and how this peaceful yet precise process can prepare 91��ý (and just about anyone) for the next step in their lives. A fresh cup of tea is suggested to accompany this podcast!
Recorded July 2, 2020
Aired August 4, 2020

Beer, Bacteria and Bison

A Meeting of Microbial Minds with Bill Hamilton
The biology professor regales us with anecdotes from his Spring Term trips to Yellowstone, his long history as a brewmaster in Lexington, and how he’s helping make W&L a more sustainable campus. You’ll learn more about the microbes that make your beer – and your garden – delicious.
Recorded May 19, 2020
Aired July 21, 2020

The New Social (Justice) Network

A Conversation about Justice with Johanna Bond
W&L Law’s Sydney and Frances Lewis Professor of Law dives into the world of human rights, highlighting the justice reforms achieved by nonprofits with which she works. She explains some of the common threads linking violence against women around the world, how social justice compares to other forms of justice, and what work needs to be done to help women and families from the U.S. to Uganda, as well as how we can all get involved.
Recorded May 15, 2020
Aired July 7, 2020

Ralph Ellison Walks into a Jazz Bar

A Literary Chat with Marc Conner
The university provost and Jo and James Ballengee Professor of English talks Ralph Ellison and the writer’s views on America’s complex history. Conner discusses Ellison scholarship at W&L, how he came to co-edit a book of his letters, and how Ellison’s personality emerges in the thousands of his letters preserved in the Library of Congress.
Recorded March 12, 2020
Aired June 23, 2020

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After Class is a collaboration of Lifelong Learning, 91��ý Engagement and University Communications.

James Lambert

Director of Lifelong Learning

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James Lambert began serving as Director of Lifelong Learning in July 2025. Previously he served as Provost and professor of English at Southern Virginia University, and prior to that worked as Chair of the English Department at the American University of Kuwait. He received an MA in American Literature at University of Arizona and a doctorate in Early Modern British Literature at the University of Iowa. He has published on Shakespeare, Milton, and a smattering of Renaissance poets and religious thinkers, and he continues to think about teaching, learning, and everything in between. In addition to his work as the Director of Lifelong Learning, James is also the host and executive producer of the W&L After Class Podcast and has a courtesy appointment as professor in the English Department.

Jim Goodwin

Digital Media Producer

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Jim Goodwin serves as the Senior Digital Media Producer for the office of Communications and Public Affairs. He has been producing After Class since 2020. In addition to being a podcast enthusiast himself, he also curates a blog called Christmas Underground about underground Christmas music.

Jessica Luck

Writer

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Jessica Luck serves as the Editorial Director for the Office of Communications and Public Affairs and is a member of the podcast team. She’s been in her role since November 2024 and is thoroughly enjoying getting to meet the incredible members of the W&L community. In her spare time, she loves helping her golden retriever meet as many people as possible, cooking, traveling and seeing live music.

Kelsey Goodwin

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Kelsey is a writer for W&L’s Office of Communications and Public Affairs and a member of the After Class podcast team. Kelsey spent 12 years in Student Affairs at W&L, most recently serving as Director of Student Activities. In her spare time she is a traveler, yoga instructor, and parent.

Laura Lemon

Writer

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Laura is assistant university editor within W&L Office of Communications and Public Affairs and joined the After Class podcast team in 2024. She graduated from W&L in 2016 as an art history and communications double major and has since traveled the globe with her family and Lifelong Learning (her favorite experience being to Greeland’s Ilulissat Icefjord). In her spare time, she enjoys competing her horse and giving her dog belly rubs—and in the remaining hours outside of that, she loves hiking, kayaking, biking and driving on road trips.

Eric Owsley

Director of Admissions and Financial Aid Communications; Strategic Advisor for W&L After Class Podcast

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Eric Owsley is the Director of Communications for Admissions and Financial Aid. A 2001 graduate of W&L, Eric has been a member of the W&L staff since graduation in various capacities in Communications, University Advancement, and IT. Eric enjoys podcasts that highlight the remarkable natures of things often overlooked – from the lives of everyday Americans to the intricacies of the human brain to almost anything that has to do with plants, trees, and fungi.

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