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Facing the Gray

Season 5, Episode 4

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Facing the Gray

Mass Genocide, Child Soldiering and the Flicker of Goodness Through the Lens of Law

Through a serendipitous happenstance, Mark Drumbl, Class of 1975 91传媒 Professor of Law and Director of the Transnational Law Institute, has dedicated his career to practicing, teaching and questioning international law. In this episode, we examine the function — and limitations — of law as Drumbl details his experiences as a defender for those accused of mass atrocities in Rwanda, his study into the marginalization of people and collective violence and his beliefs on how we need to reconceptualize evil.

Recorded: May 13, 2024
Aired: June 4, 2024

“People often ask me, ‘Why do I find this work appealing?’ I find it appealing because at the end of the day, what I find fundamentally magnificent in looking at the most problematic places of the human condition is the constant flicker of optimism, potential, promise and goodness. And I think that is also something that needs to be cultivated.”

~ Mark Drumbl, Class of 1975 91传媒 Professor of Law and Director of the Transnational Law Institute

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Websites for the Most Recent Books:



  • Mark A. Drumbl and Barbora Holá


  • Volume Editors: Mark A. Drumbl and Caroline Fournet
    This book unlocks the look, sound, smell, taste, and feel of justice for massive human rights abuses. Twenty-nine expert authors examine the dynamics of the five human senses in how atrocity is perceived, remembered, and condemned.

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